Whatever. It's pretty sad when even your old guild members agree with me. Only reason most people were there was because it was an easy win, take that away or make people actually have to work and you'll start to see their true colors. A lot of this is coming from your own guild members...msging me telling me how much of cowards you guys are and how they hate the way you guys represent them. Many people.
But whatever...say what you want. I won't be back. You know the truth though.
I'm 100% with you on whatever you want to implement and if you don't want to participate in the PvP I understand that. but I am playing Pve and Pvp so it is only logical that I get rewarded more than the pure Pve player since I am putting more work into 2 types of playstyle. Agree ?i just thought about what you wrote ... and would like to throw in another suggestion based on that
1) open avalon "normal" pvp 24/7 [so that the pvp'ers can pvp to their hearts content]
2) create an "opt-out" possibility for players, who do not wish to participate within this pvp [for example in a non hostile friendly faction]
3) redesign half of the atra stones into events [reward : time-limited cosmetics/titles] two or three times a day [while leaving the others as is]
that would basically open up the possibility, for players to actually "gather together" during the event times ... without restricting the pvp for pvp interested players and without the need for pvp'ers to stomp onto pve'ers (if you create a fair pve-faction that is)
i do agree with you on the point, that someone who invests 10 hours a day should get a higher reward, than someone who only plays 5 hours ... though, a soft cap [the more you got, the higher the bar for your next reward gets] would be a good thing there, to prevent too large/fast powergapsI'm 100% with you on whatever you want to implement and if you don't want to participate in the PvP I understand that. but I am playing Pve and Pvp so it is only logical that I get rewarded more than the pure Pve player since I am putting more work into 2 types of playstyle. Agree ?
You are completely missing the point ! I should be rewarded more than you because I am Baking in the bakery and cooking in the restaurant ! i'm doing 1 more job more than you, you are just cooking in the bakery. so after saying that I believe you should not get the rewards of cooking in the restaurant. and no you cant reward the baker the same reward as the chef, it all depends on the market what they want. they both have different rewards.i do agree with you on the point, that someone who invests 10 hours a day should get a higher reward, than someone who only plays 5 hours ... though, a soft cap [the more you got, the higher the bar for your next reward gets] would be a good thing there, to prevent too large/fast powergaps
however, pve and pvp gameplay simply is too different from each other, to be directly compared with each other
if you have to prepere a five course menu ...
can you realy say, if the starter, salad, soup and the desert-cake is more or less work than the main dish ?
can you realy say, if someone who spends his 8 hours workday on baking a cake in the bakery works "harder" than someone spends his 8 hours cooking the meals in a restaurant ?
i'd say that highly depends on the individual situation ... on the WHAT you actually make ...
it's different, yes ... but to generalize that this or that is harder ... i don't think that you realy can do that
and the same it is within this game,
pve and pvp simply are too different to be directly compared with each other
you can't realy say "running around 1 hour in avalon is more work, than doing one hour library runs" ...
and even if you realy could, it would depend on the situation ...
killing an ungeared heroic-geared newcommer with full T2+10 isn't exactly harder than a ruthlass run
killing a zerg of 10 T2+10 players singlehandadly while wearing heroic gear on the other hand should be way harder than finishing a library run ...
which is why you can't say "this" or "that" is harder / more afford / more work ... they are different, yes ... but in no way is one harder than the other
the one doing his 10 hours pvp should be able to earn the same ammount of zender as the one doing his 10 hours of pve
[maybe even "implement" these "how hard is it" factor somehow into it ... new ungeared player killed ... low points ... finished low lvl pve ... low points]
and the one splitting his playtime, afford, work between pvp and pve ... the one playing 5 and 5 ... of course, he should be able to earn the same ammount than the one who plays purely the one or the other for his 10 hours
scale it pimraraly with the time consumption, something needs to be acchieved on one hand
and with the "hardness" [x% of the participating community is able to acchieve the goal] of something on the other hand
but equal afford and timeconsumption should lead to similar rewards ... regardless of what type of gameplay you choose to play
if you cook part-time 4 hours in a restaurant you get the salery of 4 hours in the restaurantYou are completely missing the point ! I should be rewarded more than you because I am Baking in the bakery and cooking in the restaurant !
you think I work 2 part time, but im more efficient than you in PVE, for you haveli is for example 20 min and I do it in 10 min , 5 haveli per day for you is 1h 40 min and for me is 50 min, and I do PVP in that remaining time, I run with you previous dungeons and when I told you to pull all the mobs you said maybe I want to take my time and enjoy. well you can't complain later why I get paid more than you when I get 2 jobs 4 hours bakery 4 hours pvp, because in the 8 hours you are baking I am doing 4 hours baking and we get same result. so on top of you I am making cooking an extra 4 hours. So you see where I am better ? its Efficiencyif you cook part-time 4 hours in a restaurant you get the salery of 4 hours in the restaurant
if you cook full-time 8 hours in a restaurant you get the salery of 8 hours in the restaurant
if you cook part-time 4 hours in the bakery you get the salery of 4 hours bakery
if you cook full-time 8 hours in the bakery you get the salery of 8 hours bakery
and if you cook 4 hours in the bakery and 4 hours in the restaurant you get the salery of ?
a) the restaurant + x%, becouse your bakery skill influences, how well you can make a salad
b) the bacery + x%, becouse the knowledge of soup-making influences, how well the cake will taste
c) the salery of 4 hours restaurant and 4 hours bakery
choose your answer ...
also, i don't know how it is where you live ...
but (at least here) even the tax gets calculated from your combined income
you don't "work more" ... you don't "work harder",
you just have two part-time jobs instead of one full-time job
and yes, youre 100% right, it depends on the market ... what the salery is
so what is the market for astellia ?
the pvp crowd ? ... the pve crowd ? or maybe the game needs both of them in it's current state and can't afford to loose either of these two ?