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Zwiebel

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basin most certainly requires aoe or cc or something. you cleared basin with sin archer - it's a lot harder than with mage. those mobs there hit a lot harder and the pulls are dangerous if the tank isn't familiar. So you say they don't require aoe, what are u killing the mobs 1 at a time? if so you more than likely didn't complete it unless there were no wipes at all and even then..

All the dungeons require aoe to be the most efficient in both time and kill count - what are you smoking?
You pull moderately and get your s rating killing bosses first try. What are *you* smoking that you think that getting s rating without a mage is impossible?
 

mystykz

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Mages do need to be adjusted one way or another either by makin Enemies indeed CC immunish and/or tuning down their Meteor or just making enemies have way more Magic Resistance in general. If you aren't in a Guild or with Friends your chances of getting into a Legendary Dungeon as non mage are nearly non existant because in like every game most People wanna clear their content as fast as possible and that gets done by having 2 Mages here. Obviously there is people who are exception but general rule of thumb is always Speedclears favored. So lotsa people have prejudices against non Mage DPSes although Avenger and Hawkeye do damn fine and tbh most times BETTER aoe actually than a mage overall as a mage has kinda weakish aoe damage outside meteor.
 
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Zwiebel

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Mages do need to be adjusted one way or another either by makin Enemies indeed CC immunish and/or tuning down their Meteor. If you aren't in a Guild or with Friends your chances of getting into a Legendary Dungeon as non mage are nearly non existant because in like every game most People wanna clear their content as fast as possible and that gets done by having 2 Mages here. Obviously there is people who are exception but general rule of thumb is always Speedclears favored. So lotsa people have prejudices against non Mage DPSes although Avenger and Hawkeye do damn fine and tbh most times BETTER aoe actually than a mage overall as a mage has weakish aoe damage outside meteor.
Mage AoE burst damage is vastly superior to archer and sin and there is no problem with that as long as single target dps is better on sin and archer which it is. Its just that the gap between mage burst AoE damage and archer/sin AoE burst is much wider than the gap between archer/sin single target dps to mage single target dps.
Thats the problem which imho can easily be adjusted by some quick number changes. Reduce damage dealt by meteor by around 30-40% while also decreasing cooldown by 30-40%. Voila: the overall AoE dps remains the same but the AoE burst potential gets reduced.

What most people dont understand is that compared to its cooldown and cast time, meteor damage isnt all that great. But as most enemies die within a single blast of meteor, that drawback doesnt really matter.

So balancing meteor is not about reducing its dps. Its about reducing the burst damage potential.
 
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mystykz

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Even if Meteor would be doing super low damage People would still prefer Mages over anything due to the insane AOE Crowd Control they provide as crowd controlled enemies can't damage anyone. Other classes only have Glacier as an Option for Aoe CC. I think Archer/Shaman have Aoe Blind for Aoe CC. That's kinda it outta my head surely (hopefully) there is probably more than that though and someone can list all of them.
 

Zwiebel

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Even if Meteor would be doing super low damage People would still prefer Mages over anything due to the insane AOE Crowd Control they provide as crowd controlled enemies can't damage anyone. Other classes only have Glacier as an Option for Aoe CC. I think Archer/Shaman have Aoe Blind for Aoe CC. That's kinda it outta my head surely (hopefully) there is probably more than that though and someone can list all of them.
Assassins have smokescreen. Archers have bear trap and sand arrow... Or whatever they are called.